karih
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Post by karih on Jan 15, 2024 11:18:36 GMT
Once again, my sincere apologies for this late entry! Deadline is long gone and this is turning a nasty habit of mine  !
Anyhow, this will be my first plane for over 40 years so I will be joining Bert & co  ! Due to the cold weather, I have not being able to finish GT40, so decided to start this beauty. It is amazing how things have developed in these gone decades: these Eduard kits are just stunning with superb detail and also PE included. I am sure that this will be a treat to build... And of course I have the benefit of checking the master pieces from Ian & Wouter...
So here we go with some black primer and cockpit green (Tami XF-71):  |
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Post by tommygunn on Jan 15, 2024 11:21:25 GMT
Nice entry for the GB.
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Post by JEFF on Jan 15, 2024 14:55:26 GMT
There you go,Kari. Excellent choice.  |
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Post by Ian H. on Jan 15, 2024 15:01:32 GMT
You will love this kit!!!!!
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Post by Paul B on Jan 15, 2024 15:24:51 GMT
Excellent start Kari  |
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Post by Armorguy on Jan 15, 2024 19:26:21 GMT
You can count me in, you'll have a blast with this kit.
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Post by wouter on Jan 17, 2024 8:56:30 GMT
Always good to see a Zero. Last time I built a Tammi Zero, and that was a great kit. And now I got the Samurai double combo Zero of Eduard in the stash. Looking forward to see an Eduard Zero being built with all the bits and bobs and more importantly: the etch candy  . Nice start! |
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Post by karih on Jan 17, 2024 15:48:31 GMT
Thanks all for the encouragement! I hope this will be a bit less painful than my two previous cars ! |
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Post by karih on Jan 17, 2024 15:55:07 GMT
Always good to see a Zero. Last time I built a Tammi Zero, and that was a great kit. And now I got the Samurai double combo Zero of Eduard in the stash. Looking forward to see an Eduard Zero being built with all the bits and bobs and more importantly: the etch candy . Nice start! Thanks Wouter!
Can you tell me what was the story behind the wheel wells colour? Eduard instructions say "camouflage colour" but those few photos I have seen indicate that "metallic blue green" (eg. I have Mr. Color C057) was used. Is it related to different versions of Zero or different areas of Pacific field or what?  |
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Post by Ian H. on Jan 17, 2024 16:54:36 GMT
Kari---it pertains to the manufacturer. I believe if it was a Mitsubishi manufactured A6M, the wheel wells were painted the exterior camo color. But if it was a Nakajima manufactured A6M they used the blue-metallic lacquer coat. Eduard did good research for my Eduard Type 21 build and they indicated which versions in the kit were Nakajima and which were Mitsubishi-built. I think Mitsubishi and Nakajima used a different interior green, too.
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Post by Ian H. on Jan 17, 2024 17:00:21 GMT
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Post by Paul B on Jan 17, 2024 17:00:37 GMT
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Post by wouter on Jan 17, 2024 21:21:16 GMT
So, the experts have responded on the wheel well colour. They helped me in the past with it. Can't get better than this in this great community ^^
Just one interesting thing I read a while ago is that the metallic blue colour (called aotake - if I'm not mistaken 'ao' is Japanese for blue - fun fact...up until not too long ago the Japanese didn't have a specific word for green, they used the word for blue for it. Up till this day the green light of traffic lights is still called 'ao' - correct me if I'm wrong on this Tommy ^^) was an anti corrosive measure, especially for the planes in the (salty) conditions of the Pacific theatre. Apparantly some research has been done years ago and it turns out that that the aotake paint is actually superior to many modern day anti corrision primers. There are wrecks of Zero's taken out of the salty ocean where the aotake protection was pretty much intact.
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Post by karih on Jan 18, 2024 9:45:16 GMT
Thanks all for the tips! Extremily helpful ! Wouter, interesting detail and probably also true. I once saw a document on TV, where they claimed that the mortar used in the Great Wall in China, is far better thant modern equivalent products. So development is not always for the better  ! One additional question of the colours: Eduard instructions tell that Zero type 22 was build by Mitsubishi, so that is clear. But how come they still advice that the aft wheel well should be painted with the metallic blue green. For me that is not logical...? |
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Post by tommygunn on Jan 18, 2024 9:46:54 GMT
Common misconception on the word for green. Ao, as in ao yasai, is not blue vegetables but fresh vegetables.
The green man at the traffic lights is also ao.
Useless fact about Japan number 137, I believe!
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Post by Ian H. on Jan 18, 2024 11:34:32 GMT
Thanks all for the tips! Extremily helpful ! Wouter, interesting detail and probably also true. I once saw a document on TV, where they claimed that the mortar used in the Great Wall in China, is far better thant modern equivalent products. So development is not always for the better ! One additional question of the colours: Eduard instructions tell that Zero type 22 was build by Mitsubishi, so that is clear. But how come they still advise that the aft wheel well should be painted with the metallic blue green. For me that is not logical...? Kari, the color call-out for the aft tail-wheel bay is probably correct. The blue lacquer was applied over the aluminum on the fuselage interior aft of the cockpit on both Mitsubishi and Nakajima birds. I think it was just the main wheel bays on Mitsubishi-manufactured A6Ms that were painted the exterior camo color. You can see on my Type 21 thread where the blue was used on the inside of the fuselage, from the cockpit back. However, the main wheel bays on my build were painted the exterior color-----the mysterious Caramel/Ash Grey color, since this one came from a Mitsubishi plant. |
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Post by karih on Jan 18, 2024 13:31:08 GMT
Thanks all for the tips! Extremily helpful ! Wouter, interesting detail and probably also true. I once saw a document on TV, where they claimed that the mortar used in the Great Wall in China, is far better thant modern equivalent products. So development is not always for the better ! One additional question of the colours: Eduard instructions tell that Zero type 22 was build by Mitsubishi, so that is clear. But how come they still advise that the aft wheel well should be painted with the metallic blue green. For me that is not logical...? Kari, the color for the call-out aft tail-wheel bay is probably correct. The blue lacquer was applied over the aluminum on the fuselage interior aft of the cockpit on both Mitsubishi and Nakajima birds. I think it was just the main wheel bays on Mitsubishi-manufactured A6Ms that were painted the exterior camo color. You can see on my Type 21 thread where the blue was used on the inside of the fuselage, from the cockpit back. However, the main wheel bays on my build were painted the exterior color-----the mysterious Caramel/Ash Grey color, since this one came from a Mitsubishi plant. Thanks, I will proceed according these instructions. I mean,as have been already discussed several times, there is no need for 100% accuracy in these colours, but I still want to get it as close as possible. For example, I already painted the cockpit with Tami XF-71 which is the colour for the Nakajima produced Zero (if I understood correctly?). |
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Post by Ian H. on Jan 18, 2024 16:12:15 GMT
I understand, Kari. My Type 21 build was my first A6M project and I certainly learned a lot. I noticed that Nick Millman, who also writes for Osprey Books has great information about WW2 Japanese Aviation, and is mentioned in numerous web links and articles.
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Post by Boots on Jan 18, 2024 19:25:30 GMT
Great choice karih and love all the info so far  |
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Post by Ian H. on Jan 19, 2024 2:10:20 GMT
......and Kari, the Mitsubishi and Nakajima green interior colors are very close. Between lighting and fading you can hardly tell the difference. I just happened to have some Japanese Interior colors from the old Aeromaster Warbird Color line and the Mitsubishi and Nakajima shades were both included so I used the Mitsubishi variant for my build. Looking forward to your craftsmanship on this and Eduard really produced a beautiful kit. You will have no fit problems, at all.
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! Due to the cold weather, I have not being able to finish GT40, so decided to start this beauty. It is amazing how things have developed in these gone decades: these Eduard kits are just stunning with superb detail and also PE included. I am sure that this will be a treat to build... And of course I have the benefit of checking the master pieces from Ian & Wouter...
. Nice start!
, you'll find some info from Ian regarding the metallic blue at the bottom of page 1.
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